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Josh Sirota's air mattress is pictured on the floor of the Eragon office.
Six 20-something tech founders took Business Insider for an apartment tour. That includes Josh Sirota, who sleeps on an air mattress.

  • Six tech founders in their mid-20s took Business Insider on virtual tours of their apartments.
  • Two of the young founders lived in their company’s loft office spaces, where their beds were just feet away from their desks.
  • One slept on an air mattress, another used a cardboard box as a nightstand, and others had tidier homes.

Steve Jobs lived simply in 1982. All the Apple cofounder said he needed was “a cup of tea, a light, and your stereo.” Forty years later, not much has changed for the next generation of young founders.

While the AI boom is sending millions in venture funding to 20-something entrepreneurs, many still aren’t buying furniture.

Spartan living is common. Some live on mattresses in the office, while others keep their apartments’ clutter to a minimum.

Six young tech founders gave Business Insider a glimpse into their apartments — take a peek inside:

ThirdLayer cofounder Regina Lin crashes on the company couch at 4 a.m.
The ThirdLayer couch is pictured with the company's cat, Tobi.
Lin often sleeps on the company couch from 4 to 7 a.m., before finishing the night upstairs in bed.

ThirdLayer operates out of a live/work-zoned loft that was previously occupied by another Y Combinator startup. Their landlord, it turned out, was their investor. The desks and kitchen are on the main floor; up and down the stairs, you’ll find beds.

In the kitchen, the sink was full of dishes because everyone likes to “sit and work” and not “do chores,” per 22-year-old cofounder Regina Lin. They have plastic utensils and rarely cook.

“This stack of ramen used to be a lot bigger,” Lin said, pointing to a tower of different instant noodle brands. “It was very high.”

Next to the kitchen is their common area, where they film social videos, store their prop gimmicks, and often house overnight guests. Lin said that she sleeps there from 4 to 7 a.m., “and then I escape to my bedroom before anyone in the morning comes and sees me passed out there.”

The floor is filled with standing desks. Lin’s desk is littered with Blue Bottle cups; she said that she usually has at least four. Affixed to one desk is a bed for their cat, Tobi. Lin thought a cat would be “good for company culture.”

Lin’s closet doesn’t have hanging rungs, so she lives out of a suitcase.
Regina Lin's bedroom, which she shares with her cofounder, is pictured.
Lin and her cofounder, Kevin Gu, sleep feet apart on a bed and couch.

ThirdLayer has beds both upstairs and downstairs. Julia Alvarenga, ThirdLayer’s intern, got the most prized room downstairs: a storage closet. The company’s design engineer also lives there, and they outfit the downstairs couch as a bed when remote employees visit.

The founders sleep upstairs. Lin sleeps in a king-size bed; she said she wanted a smaller mattress so that they could fit more, but it was too big to get out the door. Her cofounder, Kevin Gu, sleeps on a couch just feet away.

“Everyone in the house is just right next to each other all the time,” Lin said.

The room has a closet, though it doesn’t have any racks to hang clothes. Lin suspects that it was built as a room to take calls. The founders leave their suitcases in there, and Lin also stacks her clothes in a large plastic bin next to her bed.

The upstairs bathroom is small. If Lin wants to do her makeup or get ready for the day, she’ll go downstairs to the bigger common bathroom, she said.

Docket cofounder Boris Skurikhin uses a cardboard box as a nightstand.
Boris Skurikhin's bed and makeshift nightstand are pictured.
Boris Skurikhin said furniture was not top of mind while in “build mode” and “think mode.”

25-year-old Docket cofounder Boris Skurikhin’s mattress is on the floor.

His makeshift nightstand is a short cardboard box, on which he stacked his computer and a biography of physicist Andrei Sakharov. His clothes are folded and stacked against the room’s windows.

“We moved here very, very quickly from New York,” he said. “We started the YC batch that following Monday, and we were build mode, we were think mode. Furniture was not that important.”

Skurikhin doesn’t like clutter; he says the almost empty room allows him to walk around and think.

Skurikhin stuck the cofounders’ three tenets above their desks with packing tape.
A piece of paper with Docket's three tenets is pictured taped to the wall.
The Docket cofounders’ three tenets are taped above their desks.

The living room has two desks, his and his cofounder’s. He doesn’t use the desk much, since the office is within walking distance. The “most interesting part,” he said, was a piece of paper with the cofounders’ three tenets stuck to the wall with some packing tape:

  1. No pivot discussions
  2. B2B SaaS, Real Money ($1k+/month) contracts
  3. Daily 50 outreach each

In their doorway is a small “conversational table” where Skurikhin sometimes eats lunch or dinner. He doesn’t touch the kitchen much, he said, though he’s proud of his tea collection.

Nectir cofounder Kavitta Ghai walks around her apartment with incense.
The kitchen and living room of Kavitta Ghai's Airbnb is pictured.
Kavitta Ghai liked this Airbnb because it had a record player and a good sound system.

Every time 28-year-old Nectir founder Kavitta Ghai has a “mental block” at her Los Angeles apartment, she uproots to an Airbnb where her team can meet her. Now she’s in Brooklyn’s Dumbo neighborhood; she especially liked the spot because of its record player.

Ghai does not have time to cook food — “DoorDash is my best friend,” she said — but keeps some supplies on hand for when she hosts friends or hackathons.

In her living room, Ghai is playing meditative music — something she “always” has on.

“Does it work? I don’t know,” she said. “I must set the vibes of the house. The candle has to be on. I’ll wake up in the morning and walk around with my incense.”

The Airbnb also has a small patio, one of Ghai’s non-negotiables: “I need to be able to walk outside on days when I’m working for 12 hours.”

The porch is also an ideal spot to sit out and have a coffee in the morning, or to smoke a joint, she said.

Ghai’s friends tell her she lives in ‘serial killer homes’ because they are so pristine.
The bedroom of Kavitta Ghai's Airbnb is pictured.
Ghai makes her bed first thing every morning.

Ghai’s desk is not in her bedroom, another non-negotiable while picking an Airbnb. She needs separation, she said, and having a separate desk area allows her to create a “little WeWork.”

The bedroom features floor-to-ceiling windows, as Ghai likes to wake up to sunlight. The first thing that she does every morning is make her bed.

“My friends say my homes look like serial killer homes,” she said. “I like it to look like nobody lives there ever. I need you to walk into my house and be like, ‘Is this a staged home?'”

Inside Ghai’s closet, there are two designer bags: one Dior, one Louis Vuitton. They’re both vintage, Ghai said. She likes to go to vintage stores and find nice bags that need some care.

“I like to do my little art projects,” she said.

Eragon founder Josh Sirota’s air mattress is feet away from his desk.
Josh Sirota's air mattress is pictured on the floor of the Eragon office.

29-year-old Josh Sirota sleeps on an air mattress in the middle of the Eragon office.

He tries to get up at 8 a.m., when he wanders over a few feet to his desk. He’s the only one who sleeps there full-time, but the office has cots and a couch for those who work particularly late.

Upstairs is more bed space and a conference room, but the area is currently strewn with Sirota’s clothes.

“We just moved a month ago and I’ve been super traveling, so we haven’t set up this area yet,” he said.

Sirota’s room will eventually be upstairs, too, he said, and it will have an actual mattress and a closet. For now, the space is empty.

Outside, Sirota has a tent set up. Photos of tents pitched in what was inaccurately described as the X office recently spread around the social media platform, which Eragon recreated for a marketing stunt. Next to the tent is a stationary bike for office use.

Sirota’s desk had Redbull, green tea, and at least five Zyn canisters.
Josh Sirota's desk is pictured.

Eragon is part of Andreessen Horowitz’s accelerator, A16z Speedrun. Sirota said he was meeting Ben Horowitz that week, and on his desk was a copy of Horowitz’s “What You Do Is Who You Are.”

He also had Andrew Chen’s “The Cold Start Problem,” which he said was “essential reading.

Next to the books was a can of green tea, a Redbull, and a bag of socks gifted by his sister. There was a bag of leftover McDonald’s from an Uber Eats delivery.

Stacked up high on his desk were at least five canisters of Zyn nicotine pouches.

TrainLoop cofounder Jackson Stokes finally has a dishwasher.
Jackson Stokes' kitchen is pictured.
Jackson Stokes is grateful that his kitchen has a dishwasher.

26-year-old TrainLoop founder Jackson Stokes’ apartment doesn’t have a living room. It’s worked for him: “We were just never actually here,” he said, explaining that he’ll spend 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. in the office on a normal day.

It’s more spacious than his last apartment, which was a five-bedroom with six guys in it. That apartment also didn’t have a dishwasher.

This apartment also has a robotic coffee machine, which he bought off a friend for $1. “It’s very tech,” he said.

The company coffee maker is much nicer. He recently bought a $1,500 machine for the TrainLoop office. They haven’t moved into the new space yet; the machine sits on his bedroom floor.

Stokes has a bottle of Clase Azul in his room — but he hasn’t ‘rung the bell’ yet.
Jackson Stokes' bedroom is pictured.
Jackson Stokes’ bookshelf includes photo strips from his time at Google and a bottle of Clase Azul.

Stokes wants to have a nice bedroom. He called it a “bit cluttered” — there’s a plant on top of the coffee machine — but said that he’d been “nesting.”

Stokes has books from Stripe Press and paintings from local artists on his shelves. He also has two framed printouts from photobooths: one from his time at Google and the other from Y Combinator’s end-of-batch party.

Stokes’ top shelf also contains alcohol. He has a bottle of wine from winning first place at an OpenAI hackathon and a bottle signed by his YC group partner, Michael Seibel. There’s also a bottle of Clase Azul, which is still sealed because “we don’t drink that much.”

“I actually have not rung the bell on this one yet,” Stokes said of the bottle’s topper. “But I have rung the bell on others.”

Gale cofounder Haokun Qin stores protein shakes under his bed.
Haokun Qin's bed is pictured.
Haokun Qin sleeps under a heated blanket every night.

23-year-old Haokun Qin and his Gale cofounder moved into their Toronto apartment two months ago: “We just shoved our stuff in here, and we’ve been here maybe half the time.”

He keeps his room basic, just “whatever I need to sleep.” That includes a bed, a nightstand, and a heated blanket — no comforter or duvet needed.

“I move around too much to have that much stuff on me,” Qin said.

His favorite thing in the room, Qin said, was the protein shakes that he stores under his bed.

Qin’s skincare products are from his mom and Amazon.
Haokun Qin's bathroom is pictured.
“I couldn’t tell you, man,” Qin said of his bathroom products.

In his bathroom, Qin has a variety of skincare products.

“I don’t even know what it is, but half the stuff my mom bought, and half the stuff I bought on Amazon over time,” he said. “I couldn’t tell you, man.”

In his apartment’s living area, Qin has floor-to-ceiling windows. He points out one to The Velocity Incubator, a local startup program. His office, he says, is a three-minute walk away.

Opening his freezer, Qin pulls out an ice pop and laughs. “We call them freezies,” he said.

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After 17 years of marriage, my husband still won’t buy me the ring he promised. I’m getting resentful — what do I do?

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This week, a reader feels resentment that, 17 years into her marriage, her husband still hasn’t bought her the dream engagement ring he once promised her.

  • For Love & Money is a column from Business Insider answering your relationship and money questions.
  • This week, a reader feels resentful that her husband won’t buy her the engagement ring he promised her 17 years ago.
  • Our columnist advises that the reader’s request isn’t frivolous, and suggests a frank conversation with her husband.
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Dear For Love & Money,

Seventeen years ago, when my now-husband proposed to me, he gave me a small ring with a fake stone and cheap metal. We both agreed it was a placeholder; we were poor and decided that the security of our life together was more important than big diamonds. My wedding ring was just a plain gold band, so when the cheap engagement ring broke within the first two years of our marriage, I started wearing just the band, and have been ever since. However, we agreed on several occasions that for our 10th anniversary, he’d buy me my dream ring.

Our 10th anniversary came and went. I reminded my husband about the ring, but we had some significant expenses at the time, and ended up prioritizing an anniversary trip over gifts. I’ve tried to have a good attitude about this, but in recent years, it’s started to hurt my feelings. When we have a windfall or a special occasion, I’ll gently remind him that I’m still waiting on a ring, but he mostly ignores me, and we spend the money on other things.

Over the years, my dream ring has gone from a $10,000 diamond to a $1,500 moissanite, and he knows this because I often send him links. He doesn’t acknowledge any of it. We don’t have fights about it, but when I try to force the conversation, he acts like I’m being ridiculous and moves on to more “important” financial priorities.

The longer this goes on, the more resentful I become — but also, the sillier I feel. We’ve been married for 17 years. I’m in my 40s, we’re saving for our children’s college tuition, and I’m still stuck on a piece of jewelry. At this point, I think my insistence has less to do with the ring itself and more to do with my husband breaking a promise, ignoring my reminders, and refusing to give his wife something beautiful and expensive. How do I get through to him?

Sincerely,

(Not) Asking Too Much

Dear Not Asking Too Much,

You aren’t. It would seem you already know this, based on the sign-off you chose, but in case you’re caught up on the apparent frivolity of a forty-something woman demanding a bigger ring, allow me to underline it: You aren’t asking too much. In fact, I’d argue you’re asking for the bare minimum — that your husband keep his promise to you and put you first on your shared financial priority list now and then.

That said, I don’t plan to advise you on the best way to squeeze a ring from your husband’s tight fist. You could probably find a way to cajole him, give him scary ultimatums, or tickle his insecurities by pointing out the rings of his friends’ and rivals’ wives. But the problem is, no matter how you might try to manipulate the situation, none of those things will truly get through to him, and would likely cause more harm to your marriage than good.

That’s the rub. I don’t know this for certain, but it seems like you want your husband to want to buy you this emblem of devotion and commitment, based on the fact that you still send him links to the rings you like rather than just tapping the purchase button yourself and drawing from the shared bank accounts you presumably have access to.

I might be wrong — maybe you really just want a prettier ring, which is entirely fair. (I would hardly call waiting 17 years to get a single piece of jewelry materialistic.) If that’s the case, all you have to do is let your husband know that you’ve thought about it, decided this is your financial priority, set aside some money for it, and swipe your card.

But I think it’s more likely you want the ring to represent your husband’s love and adoration. Unfortunately, this means you simply don’t get to have your way unless your husband independently experiences a change of heart. You want your husband to feel something toward you that culminates in a ring, and while we can influence people’s actions and thoughts, we can’t force anyone to feel anything.

I’d suggest you start by sitting down and having a frank discussion with your husband, to share why this ring means so much to you, and find out why he doesn’t seem to care about it. While texting your husband links to rings is hardly subtle, the fact that you sometimes feel silly about even wanting a piece of jewelry so badly may be causing you to hedge in your conversations with him about it, offering him an easy out. You could even show him the letter you wrote me to demonstrate how important this is to you.

On the other hand, your husband may see an engagement ring this many years into your marriage as a frivolous expense and a particularly narrow financial goal, considering only one member of your family will benefit from it. And while you and I may see it as a just reward for 17 years of patience, he probably considers that same timeline as evidence that you don’t need one. After all, you’ve survived with a simple band for nearly two decades. In the face of all the financial bills, totaled cars, and home repair costs you two may have faced together over the years, he could just not recognize how important this really is to you.

If, after the conversation, your husband still can’t hear the need behind your want and continues to ignore you, or your conversation about it devolves into endless circles, I’d suggest you seek couples counseling about the matter. This may seem like a dramatic response, but it shows that this isn’t just about a ring; it’s about a promise, a value, and a symbol of your love — as well as being able to have respectful and empathetic communication. Of course, you want him to want to give that all to you.

Hopefully, once your husband recognizes that your desire for this ring goes deeper than a new bauble to show off to your friends, he will be happy to oblige. The key to communicating this to him is in recognizing it yourself — you aren’t asking too much. You’ve loved one another and honored that commitment for nearly two decades. That is worth showing off, if only to one another.

Rooting for you,

For Love & Money

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